Ever felt overwhelmed by the never-ending to-do list of home renovations, or pondered the luxury of hiring out tedious tasks like painting? We've been there too, and in our latest chat, we spill the beans—literally—on the trials of DIY, the allure of outsourcing, and the hefty price tag of local coffee roasts. Pour yourself a cup and join us as we debate the merits of home-brewed java against the café scene.
Careers aren't just jobs; they're the rich tapestry woven from each chapter of our lives. In this heart-to-heart, we walk through the corridors of our pasts—from sales to motherhood to the sharp world of barbery—and how these experiences shape our very identities. Get ready to feel the support of our collective journey as we dissect societal expectations and gender roles. Plus, we travel back to the dreams of our younger selves, igniting passion for music and hairstyling, and take a candid look at the hospitality industry's trials, toying with the idea of investing in a cherished local venue.
Then, we pull back the curtain on the academic hustle with a part-time professor, laughing and wincing at the flood of emails and the surprise of virtual observations by the dean. As we explore the legal maze of after-hours work communication, we stand in solidarity with adjunct faculty fighting for fair treatment. And what's a reunion without friends? Joe and Kelly drop by to share their mental health journeys and tease Joe's upcoming podcast, ensuring that our conversation on life, laughter, and everything in between keeps you hooked until the last laugh.
Thanks for listening!
Ever felt overwhelmed by the never-ending to-do list of home renovations, or pondered the luxury of hiring out tedious tasks like painting? We've been there too, and in our latest chat, we spill the beans—literally—on the trials of DIY, the allure of outsourcing, and the hefty price tag of local coffee roasts. Pour yourself a cup and join us as we debate the merits of home-brewed java against the café scene.
Careers aren't just jobs; they're the rich tapestry woven from each chapter of our lives. In this heart-to-heart, we walk through the corridors of our pasts—from sales to motherhood to the sharp world of barbery—and how these experiences shape our very identities. Get ready to feel the support of our collective journey as we dissect societal expectations and gender roles. Plus, we travel back to the dreams of our younger selves, igniting passion for music and hairstyling, and take a candid look at the hospitality industry's trials, toying with the idea of investing in a cherished local venue.
Then, we pull back the curtain on the academic hustle with a part-time professor, laughing and wincing at the flood of emails and the surprise of virtual observations by the dean. As we explore the legal maze of after-hours work communication, we stand in solidarity with adjunct faculty fighting for fair treatment. And what's a reunion without friends? Joe and Kelly drop by to share their mental health journeys and tease Joe's upcoming podcast, ensuring that our conversation on life, laughter, and everything in between keeps you hooked until the last laugh.
Thanks for listening!
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Speaker 2:What air I?
Speaker 1:don't know. I gotta, I gotta be coffee, though I'm getting coffee.
Speaker 2:I've already had coffee and I'm drinking a protein shake right now. I'm so tired but it's just because I've been like working super late. I'm moving rooms. I don't know when it's supposed to be by tomorrow, but I don't know that that's going to happen, so we will see. But I've been painting, which I hate to pay. I told Randy we need to be Really, we need to become rich so that I can hire somebody to paint.
Speaker 1:I'm going to need you to get rich real quick.
Speaker 2:I'm like always, my entire life. I'm like, oh well, let me get somebody, let me call and inquire about somebody coming to do a job, and then they come and give you a quote and you go you're like no, I'll do it myself.
Speaker 2:But I want to be at the point where I go. Oh, that sounds reasonable, let's go. I can not. I literally hate painting and it's also like I was painting a cabinet and so it's like, you know, in crevices and on your, you know, sitting on the ground. Oh yeah, my body is like what the heck did you do?
Speaker 1:You know what I got to grind beans so grind them beans. You talking, I don't want to make it all of our audience numbers.
Speaker 2:How did you? Or what beans are you grinding coffee? I know that Pencil.
Speaker 2:Pencil beans. We've been. We've been just getting coffee from Sam's. They have this. I don't know it's a Sam's brand, but it's actually quite good. Sometimes they are, you know, I don't know why it's a Sam's, but it's so good and it's literally, you know, like 20 bucks for like two and a half pounds. So I'm like that's a bargain, because I love local coffee and I love getting it. But I swear to God, it's gotten so expensive. Just for like a 12 ounce. They don't even give you a pound anymore. 12 ounces, like 30 bucks. I'm like I'll do that in like a week. It's annoying. Anyway, I can't hear you. Can't hear you. Turn my volume up. My volume is high, my volume is maxed. It's me Now. I've unmuted, still can't hear you. We are having technical difficulties this morning. Yeah, now I hear you.
Speaker 1:I can hear you the whole time. Yeah, there's no such thing as local coffee beans, just FYI.
Speaker 2:Well, I know, but like local roasters. That's what I mean, Okay.
Speaker 1:So like fair, fair, fair, fair, yeah, yeah, yeah, um what I did this year probably local coffee beans where they're grown. Yes, I'm like they don't we don't grow here.
Speaker 2:I know they're not grown here, but they're roasted here, you know. So anyway. But I mean, I love trying different coffees for sure, but oh my gosh, I guess it's cheaper than going to like get coffee every day. I can't do it. I'm like, and I do like, getting coffee at different places and trying they're different roasts or whatever. But man, I think there are people who get coffee every day and pay for coffee every day at a place.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like for someone else to make it, but I'm like I'll just grind it and make it myself and it's just as good, it's just not as convenient.
Speaker 1:It takes a little bit longer yeah it takes?
Speaker 2:I mean, well, I don't even know that it takes longer, because if you go there you have to wait for it for them to do the exact same thing you would do at home. But yeah, I freaking love I mean I enjoy coffee a lot- oh, outside dog, oh yeah, I for Christmas this year.
Speaker 1:Partner like is addict, which I'm like if you're going to be an addict and you're addicted to coffee, right, you know what I mean. I'm like, that's really like, and also one of those people that can like do it, like, oh, I can do it at night, oh yeah, and I'm and still going to sleep, and I'm like what is wrong with you?
Speaker 2:You know I I can do that. I mean it's not as bad Like I feel like I used to could do coffee late at night and it never affected me. I feel like it affects me a little bit now, but not as not that much Like I drink tea almost all day. Yeah, and you know tea has caffeine in it and I can drink it, you know, an hour before I got a bed and I'm totally fine.
Speaker 1:So I'm like.
Speaker 2:I don't know it doesn't. It doesn't affect my sleeping ability. I'm one of my friends and sells this stuff, that and it's like an energy drink, but it's all natural, there's no sugar in it and stuff like that, but it's not. It's called energy, but it's. It's not like the crap energy drink.
Speaker 1:Is it Celsius?
Speaker 2:No, it's, it's called kicks Anyway. So I bought some. I don't know. It's just like natural energy things and it's got like really healthy ingredients in it. It's like got vegetables in it which doesn't taste like it at all. Anyway, um, it's got a lot of good, like healthy shit in it, Anyway. So I, um I have been drinking that and that actually does affect my sleep.
Speaker 2:So I just drink it past like I don't know four o'clock in the afternoon. It does give you a boost of energy. It's got like B12s and stuff in it and it does like boost your looks, but it's not the energy rush that, like an energy drink, gives you for like.
Speaker 1:And then yes, and then you have this major crash. No, it's pretty steady.
Speaker 2:I really enjoy it. But God, it's so good yeah.
Speaker 1:But we got it. Last I was realizing the last episode we recorded. We just like shot the shit for like 25 minutes in the beginning. Yes, yes, I was like I was, like we need to introduce ourselves and we need to get on the topic, Um, at least in the first. I don't know, I mean goals, 10 minutes. Yeah, I'm Rachel and I'm tired.
Speaker 2:I am Liz and I feel okay. I'm just like I think my body's just exhausted mentally. I feel okay, yeah, but um, I'm just, the older you get, every little thing hurts. I don't hurt.
Speaker 1:Um, I do notice that I need to. I need to make sure I get more sleep. Yeah, that I have to get a good seven hours anymore.
Speaker 2:I'm like six to seven hours. If I get less than six, I'm like literally dragging, and I used to could function on five to six and it was fine. So, like, um, one of the girls I work with she's like I don't know how you get up so early. I'm like, dude, I go to bed at 10 o'clock, like for nine sometimes. You know, um, because when I'm tired I just go to bed, and so, because I know I'm going to get up early no matter what. So, um, I go to bed because, yeah, I'll be a zombie the next day if I don't. Um, I don't know, I just and I could be a night out because I could stay up super late sometimes. But Well, all this kind of goes into our topic for the day, tell everyone.
Speaker 1:I think we have. I think we're allowed to talk about what we did over the weekend, no problem, okay, um, but we should segue into our Our topic.
Speaker 2:Our topic. Uh, define this oh is career, yeah.
Speaker 1:Like specifically female career.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I um, I was looking up some like uh definitions earlier and I was cracking up because this one stood out. It says a career is one's um, come on, stupid, thank Um. Career oh my gosh, my phone is being stupid Is an individual's metaphorical journey through learning, work and other aspects of life. And there so I was. I liked that it said a metaphorical journey through learning.
Speaker 1:Yes, I was like, I actually liked that because everybody has.
Speaker 2:You know, career can be defined, yeah, generally your profession or something that you work for, or something you know that you do, Um, but, and everybody's career can be so different and defined so differently, yeah, and so I really like that Um, because I mean it's usually referred to as a profession, occupation, trade or vocation. A career could define what you do for a living and range from those that require extensive training and education to those that can perform with only a high school diploma and a willingness to learn.
Speaker 2:So, you know, I mean all anybody can have a career. Basically, you know, and I feel like there's a difference between just working and a career.
Speaker 1:I feel like I'm a career human.
Speaker 2:A career human.
Speaker 1:Uh-huh.
Speaker 2:Mm. Okay, like always been a career, or always you're always doing a career. Is that what you mean? What do you mean?
Speaker 1:I mean, I've made it a career to try and figure out exactly what it means to be human.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay. Well, I'm not 100 percent sure I know what that would entail. Same I honestly, because I think it changes constantly. And I think that I mean it changes constantly, but really it shouldn't, it shouldn't.
Speaker 1:But I think the average person has like seven different careers in their lifetime, mm. Okay, I mean, I mean they identify with a different type of career. Seven, they're different. Seven, seven. It's not, though, mm, I think so.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:You and I, you and I, you and I solo, I don't think it's Hayafard at all. Uh, paperboy, papergirl.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but that wasn't a career, that was a job. I feel like it's different.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, we could say service industry.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right, service industry.
Speaker 2:Well, I feel like that's my entire career then, because I've done like all the things.
Speaker 1:Well then, go through yours, because I'm like we have to do a personal example here Okay, so I have in service industry.
Speaker 2:Okay, Well, let's just go. My first job was Sales, Sales Um sales um mice, and then paper route which is delivering newspapers.
Speaker 1:Um.
Speaker 2:I did that for probably oh, I'm going to say close to six or seven years.
Speaker 1:Well, because. I did probably 14, 14 to 19 or 15 to 19.
Speaker 2:Mine was 15 to probably 22. So seven years, um. Also in that time I worked at Arby's, um. I worked at let's see, um. I worked at a couple of medical facilities, um, all kinds of random things. I worked for a telemarketer. Yeah, telemarketer. Oh my God, I forgot about that job. Okay, telemarketer, that was a crazy one. I was really good at it.
Speaker 1:MCI was at MCI.
Speaker 2:No, um, I don't even. I can't remember the name of it.
Speaker 1:It was just like a MCI. No, that was a different one.
Speaker 2:No it was over by where, um, that bar that used to go the strip mall, cowboys. Yeah, isn't that? Yes, cowboys in that, in that strip mall where it used to be. I know it was a big telemarketing center in there.
Speaker 1:I thought that was MCI.
Speaker 2:So, um, you I think that's why I'm so proud of you and I think that was the one of my girlfriends that was out of high school with me. We worked there together and we, like, we were good at our jobs, selling mostly credit cards over the phone, like bizarre Um. And then, uh, let's see, then I had a child. I mean, I got married, I had a child. Okay, so we could say sales. I was a mother. Okay, so then I worked at Target at night.
Speaker 1:So that sales and hospitality.
Speaker 2:Yeah, worked at Target and all of those things. I went to school a couple of times, Student To those, Um for music. Oh, when I was in New Mexico I played piano for a church. So, that was a good decision. Yep Did top piano lessons. Uh, let's see Todd a little bit Um, yeah, uh, let's see um. And then I was. I started barboring school.
Speaker 1:Barber.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I worked at a grocery store while I was in barber school and now Now I mean writer seamstress Podcast or Yep From 10.
Speaker 2:Food truck owner.
Speaker 1:Business owner, so 11. I mean yeah.
Speaker 2:But I think the barboring is. I would say barboring has been my Main career because I've done that the longest.
Speaker 1:Okay 11, 12, 13. Right, yeah, probably. Okay. I mean, I've had multiple jobs and I had pretty much all the same as you. Yeah, very beginning.
Speaker 2:In the beginning.
Speaker 1:Sure, in the beginning, and then we broke off, oh, I suppose in the student part, like yeah, yeah, cause. Then I went artsy and you went um more mother.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I mean, mother could be defined as a career.
Speaker 1:That's what I did put it. I did yeah Like raising children Absolutely a fucking career.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, absolutely, um. So, uh, but we were not raised To um career, um, we were not raised to have a career as a woman, as a female Um. In our cult environment, women were to be um supportive. So you weren't going to have a career, you were going to be a port system. You were going to be support staff, support your husband, yes, um. So race children, you know, do all the things serve it. You're going to be a part of your man Um and be involved in the church. So that was literally what women did there. I, honestly, was thinking about that this this week and I cannot In my brain other than, like some of the women who were teachers, Think of one woman involved in that that had an actual career, can you? I was thinking hard.
Speaker 1:I mean yeah Uh, haircutter, okay Uh Donna military.
Speaker 2:Okay. So there was okay, there was a couple of military, but Um. Okay.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I remember. I remember that we went to a different hairstylist for years, which was what got me so intrigued with Cutting hair. When my mom and mom took us to Um, a secular one, yes, and I just love the environment and I thought it seemed so much fun and I was like I want to do that and my mom was like you can't cut hair, it's full of drugs and you won't go to music school. I was like, okay, oh man, I yeah.
Speaker 1:Who was they talking? Oh, one of my office mates, and I say that meaning like there's Four sweets yeah. Yeah, I know, in our thing and, um, one of the guys was we were sitting there waiting for clients yesterday, like all three of us were sitting out there and like, like the evil pioneer, we actually know the). We were all thinkling Our thumbs cause the traffic was just like fuck that. So everybody was late and we were all just like, yeah, yeah, okay, um, and he was a musician.
Speaker 1:Like he does gigs at night. You'd like sings Guitar, Right. Yeah, I was like, oh my God, you're a fucking walking cliche. You know, Um was and I was talking to him about music and how we got our piano lessons and I was like I don't, I don't think we were really like allowed to play like some of these minor scales because they were like the devil's music.
Speaker 2:Right, they were off beat in like and like we couldn't play.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we couldn't play like Haydn. Yes, because he was like the devil and we were just sitting there cracking up like what the actual fuck like we?
Speaker 2:weren't.
Speaker 1:I mean it's so dumb, but yeah, it was so shelter. And then over COVID, when I tried to relearn some piano stuff Well, my teacher was not that great, but it's so weird not knowing that you, I think, had a better cord, progressive, you know circle of fifths and all of that.
Speaker 2:You had that a little, a little bit in the college that I did at Nazarene, but honestly not enough. Yeah, I actually Couple. Years ago Actually it's been nine years ago, my god, um. But there was a lady that and one of her client, one of my client Moms taught piano and I told her I said I did not get good cord.
Speaker 2:Progressive education, yes, and she literally wrote down the blues chords for me and Life-changing. Yeah. I was like, oh my god, where has this been all my life? I would be such a better piano player if I knew. It's like we didn't learn improv improvisation. Yes, we, we learned just play the notes. I mean, you were good at improv because you played mostly by ear. I could hear it though and yeah, you were good at that and I I'm not a here Hear something and play it, yeah, so you definitely had that.
Speaker 1:but that didn't teach me anything, though, like I, it was even worse than because you at least were able to like, learn from the chords and the keys and all that and I'm like uh-uh, I, because it was easier for me to hear it, yeah, and then play it. Um, then I was like, okay, just can you play it for me before I go, and she would every time.
Speaker 1:I know I'm like okay, so anyway, um, it's so odd, yeah, it's so odd anyway. So the topic is career, career. We're talking about it in terms of the cult right now. Yeah, like what? And I think in the in our upbringing, it it was more clearly defined by what it was not allowed to be, yes, and Now it's more determined by what we can be, or right, we have a lot more freedom in terms of it. But I do think it was defined by like you can't be anything other than in the cult, like you had one definition and Now it's not.
Speaker 2:Not quite that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, how old is roommate number twos, little one?
Speaker 2:three months I.
Speaker 1:Was out last night at Sarah's with. I Love how you call it Sarah's.
Speaker 2:I know you mean where she works.
Speaker 1:So yes, but they're uh.
Speaker 2:There's and and there's a guy there and I'm like I will invest if he buys it.
Speaker 1:So he's been considering purchasing it because I'm like if you, I was like if you do get a copy of Sarah's, if he buys it. So he's been considering purchasing it. Because I'm like if you, I was like if you do not buy it, I will no longer come here in a few months, because I'm kind of over it as soon as Sarah leaves, if she does. But he's young, he's smart. I'm like I will help you invest, like I will take out some money and invest in this if you buy it, because it could be so much better than it is. And it's kind of like a dying you know thing right now where you're watching it go downhill and it's devastating.
Speaker 1:But well, you just said the foods they've just had a lot of chefs in and out, okay, so meaning it's been like constantly shifting and there is no manager.
Speaker 2:Do they not pay them?
Speaker 1:well, no, they don't.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what I'm going to say. If you're not, if you're not getting good chefs, you're probably not paying enough. Yes, because if you pay somebody enough, you're going to get somebody that knows what the heck they're doing and maybe we'll stay around you know, Well, you and I both know most restaurants margins are pretty freaking small.
Speaker 1:Yes, right, I mean you're working on three or four, you guys do quantity to make usually? Except for when you get to like higher end Sure Places Then. But then you're still supposed to be getting better product. Right, so then your margins tend to stay Right.
Speaker 2:The same.
Speaker 1:Yep, yeah, but if you're paying your staff well, it's worth it, because even if it's three or four percent, you can guarantee that almost yeah, because your food costs and labor costs are set.
Speaker 2:Yep, well, I don't think food costs are set. Dear God, it fluctuates so bad.
Speaker 1:Well, there's a percentage of that you can control. Yes, oops, I meant to mute me and I didn't, so anyway, but there was a three month old. Oh, okay, it's her Sarah's. We'll just say cousin. On the other side, let's just say that for now Okay, but three month old, and I was like, yeah, I'm pretty sure this is like my great niece is age and she's so fucking awesome yeah.
Speaker 1:But I was like, is she he? It was a boy, like is he sleeping through the night. It was a great eater, like eating a ton, and I was like, yeah, well, it directly corresponds Like if they can eat more, they could sleep more because their belly's full for longer.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And she, she was like, oh my God. But you know, new moms are hilarious.
Speaker 2:So have you seen those little crabs on social media? They're like these crabs that run back and forth Like a little Mostly crabs do that.
Speaker 2:It's, it's a toy and it's got like I don't know eight, six or eight little legs that go out. And then there's a you know it's a hard body and you turn it on and it just goes, and then back and forth. Roommate two had the baby on one of those like boppy pillows, propped up with her head, because she can hold her head up so well. But anyway, she had that on a mirror going in circles and it would go to one end and then it would turn around and go back. And she was just a neighbor. It was amazing. I've seen videos of babies watching it and I've never seen it in action. And she sent me a snapshot of that and I was cracking up because I'm like, oh my God, she's so enthralled with this little crab and the greatest toy. Oh, anyway, it was so funny, but yeah she's three I need her to send me.
Speaker 1:well, she may have sent me snapshots. I don't ever check my snapchat.
Speaker 2:Oh gosh, I do all the time, but my family communicates to snapchat most of the time, so I'm on snapchat a lot. I don't send out a lot of snaps, but I do watch everybody else's.
Speaker 1:I really like the platform. I think it's kind of great. But it is one more thing for me to check. I know the older I get, the less fucks I have to give and I'm like I can barely keep up with my email.
Speaker 2:Well it's not getting 10,000 a day anymore. Oh yeah, I am.
Speaker 1:Oh fuck, no, I just found out yesterday, monday, monday I found out that I'm getting observed this semester, meaning I'm going to be observed by the dean at one of the colleges watching me teach. I'm like, first of all, I'm like basically an independent fucking contractor, right, like, basically, associate faculty were not even full professor, were not. Like I show up, I teach, I leave. Yeah, you literally do not give me anything else. Like you don't provide medical, you don't provide it, right, health benefits, there's no retirement. This is going nowhere. It's not a fucking career. I mean, people do it and I've had three jobs at once doing associate, assistant, whatever, and I'm like you're incentivized to not do a lot because they don't. They treat you like crap.
Speaker 1:And yeah, I just found out I'm getting observed this semester in one of my online sections, which is fine, it's. I'm like fire me please. That's how much I care. And it's not that I do. I do love teaching, I love teaching and I, but in an online environment it's really hard to like, you know, get, yeah, I will say that. Like, oh, my God, can I screen share? Yeah, I can. I'm going to show you this picture.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:One of my students made. Can you see that?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, that's one. Okay, see it the headpiece. Yes, okay, so this is their project. So, instead of like writing a paper, I let them do whatever they want by whatever creative medium they want to do. Okay, so I'm like I've had a girl bake a cake before, okay, like in a class, and she was like, well, I bake. And I was like, cool, bake a cake. And so she baked a cake like with a ballet studio on one side of the cake and like a barrazzanatiom dancer on the other side, and I was like fucking brilliant. You know, I'm like that's great, that's fine, but you know what I mean, if they get into it through a different means other than writing a paper.
Speaker 1:I'm like, please do I mean, I don't want to read your boring paper, right, like, come to it wherever you're at, like whatever is interesting to you, sure. So yeah, that was this semester and I was like that's fucking gorgeous. I was like good job. So the one is I think she did barrazzanatiom and Kaathok Okay At forms of dance, and I'm like that's great, but I just require that they do some research on it. So they have to like look up the subject, learn about it and then get some inspiration and do whatever you want. So, career wise, yes, I'm still getting 10,000 emails because I had no idea I was getting observed. And then the dean reaches out and she's like you're getting observed this semester. I'm going to observe your, your class, another instructor. She was like so and so is going to observe your class, and I was like for real, because I don't know that.
Speaker 1:And she's like yeah, apparently you got an email two weeks ago. I was like mm. Okay, if you say so, I don't have no idea.
Speaker 2:I don't remember when it was Nope, no idea. I've heard of thousands of emails a day.
Speaker 1:So I don't have an hour a day to go through my emails? No, I don't, and you're not paying me for that.
Speaker 2:Right, no, no, you shouldn't have to respond to emails that if you're not getting paid for doing that like that's literally ridiculous.
Speaker 1:It's terrible. It should be illegal. It should be illegal Australia. I told you that I think it's Australia Supreme Court. They're doing a. It's right now in litigation at the Supreme.
Speaker 2:Court in Australia. Is there a?
Speaker 1:Supreme.
Speaker 2:Court in.
Speaker 1:Australia. Yep, okay, I think that's the legal thing, the legality of being able to contact an employee after work hours. Okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think you shouldn't be able to do that. I agree, no, because you're not getting paid for it.
Speaker 1:No, I mean.
Speaker 2:Randy is so funny, so his job I mean, if he gets called for a work question he charges.
Speaker 1:He's like. I think we should do that too.
Speaker 2:I'm like, if that took the weekend, so yeah, I'm going to charge and I'm like, yeah, you should, because you know we're in the middle of doing something else. We had to stop what we're doing and you had to, you know, focus on the problem from work that somebody's calling about. So, yeah, absolutely Fucking, charge them. That's crazy, um, but I feel like, well, I know that most jobs would not allow that. His job luckily does, so I'll get there anyway.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but a lot of them are going to be like no, it's just considered a part of it. There is a lawsuit currently for associate faculty.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for associate faculty, I think it started in Orange County and it's basically saying well, yeah, we're expected to do that, like, we're expected to grade papers. We're expected to do all of the class prep and everything, whether it's online or face to face, without pay, and we're only quote, unquote technically paid and without benefits Keep in mind, not benefits. We're only paid for the instructional hours. Sure, right, and that goes for a high school student or high school teachers, right. And then the K through 12 system, which I also think need to be compensated much better than they are, oh, yeah, and also should be compensated. So, like, if you go home for the weekend and you spend two and a half hours prepping for your class or grading for your class, I think you should also log that in and be compensated for that, because you're still contributing to your job. Yeah, right, and I think that that's valid. So, career wise yeah. I think America still has a lot to learn.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean definitely that's true. Will they learn? I don't think so, Because what's been proven in the past. But who knows, maybe there's hope. Yeah, I can always think there's hope Anyway. Okay, so back to career. We kind of like went off on a tag.
Speaker 1:Well, we are. We have been talking about career, you all, sure, yeah?
Speaker 2:That is part of it, I guess. Yeah, what?
Speaker 1:But yeah, we weren't allowed. There was no such thing as a career in the cold Okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean and honestly, like all of our female role models were wives of whatever, pastors, leaders, mothers, mothers, and they were, yes, wives and mothers, and you know, produce children and serve your husband.
Speaker 1:Producers Pro Production. Which there's nothing wrong with that, and that's what you want to do. Absolutely not Right. You should be given the choice. Yes.
Speaker 2:Absolutely nothing wrong with that. Oh my God. If that's what you want to do and that's what you aspire to do, by all means do that. But I don't. I mean, I was never that person, I know.
Speaker 1:Neither was I, neither of us were. This brings up the word choice Brings up a lot the boy last night, the three month old, that's the same as roommate to his yeah, yeah, age, it's a boy. Um, so of course you nor I have boys.
Speaker 2:So there's this whole.
Speaker 1:There's this whole choice about circumcision or not. Oh God, oh no, no, no, but it's a fucking choice, true.
Speaker 2:It is a choice, it's a fucking choice.
Speaker 1:I mean, you know what I mean, and I'm like, oh my. God and I'm looking at and these parents are like they're fucking fan, fucking tastic, like right. There are two people I really respected. She and I were like I was like I'm, I'm like the, the. I'm like the most feminist person I know, because I'm like take everyone out of politics, like burn it down and put women in charge.
Speaker 2:You know, like that's.
Speaker 1:that's the feminist I am Um and I realized that that is extreme, and I also know that it's probably not correct.
Speaker 2:Um, and, and and.
Speaker 1:I am fine with criticizing myself about that, enough. But I was like, well, it's the best thing I've ever done.
Speaker 2:But I was like well, it's the frustration that causes that train of thought, right.
Speaker 1:Absolutely yeah, and and I'm like, but you have a choice.
Speaker 2:We don't think that there's anyone that could do it but women. It's that the men that have been have shown us failing so miserably. Yes, oh. So then you go. Well, let's do a change and let's have a female do it, you know so.
Speaker 1:And not every female is cut out for it. I do understand that.
Speaker 2:Not, I agree with that, but I also agree that not every male is cut out for that, and there's just, it's just frustrating.
Speaker 1:Well, when we talked with the other podcast, Joe, I think we can talk about it and we should promote it anyway. Okay, I'm like we might as well, cause he's about to drop, like the whole thing this week. So I think it's okay to talk about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I asked him.
Speaker 1:I asked him, but I was like, okay, I'm going to do that I asked him, but I want to ask Randy too, if they will come on. Yes, okay, and maybe Bob. I don't know if he will. Okay, I mean, actually that's the first time I've said his name.
Speaker 2:I know, I'm like okay.
Speaker 1:But I don't. He's not a public, public person and he has to be careful because of his job and stuff. But, um, I think it would be really helpful to do that because it sparked that podcast in particular, sparked so much like angst and and I think I think rightly so. But I also want to hear why, like why it was so upsetting for them to hear that about it. But anyway, that again. So we're still on the career boat here because we're thinking okay, politics, choice, right, all of that we, but we should have more of a voice in it. Do you know that we're not legally guaranteed the right to vote in the United States?
Speaker 1:No it's not in our constitution. I didn't know that.
Speaker 2:Well, but it's a law right.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:No, um, there's a lot of things like that. And women are not citizens because the constitution says man, no, no, no, it's not, it's problematic.
Speaker 2:Right, right, it's horrifying.
Speaker 1:Yes, it's problematic, um, and there's characters who have come along in recent years who have poked at these things and brought it up these things and pointed them out in appalling ways, but I do think that, um, it's actually been proven and there's a shorter history of this than there is, of men being judges but it's actually been proven that female judges do a better job of being, um, unbiased, hmm, uh, like that they do fairer judgments overall in terms of crime versus punishment and right, right, um, it's not recidivism, right, but they're right, it's it's in terms of, like, reoffending and getting people rehabilitated and blah, blah, blah, that female judges have a better Feel for that, and I'm like that makes sense because we typically deal with people A little bit more fairly.
Speaker 1:I think. Sure, then a male which, in our hunter gatherer, you know, let's say, uh, the way that we were made right, let's say, uh, anthropologically speaking, um, men were hunter gathers and they were fight or flight, you know, kill the thing and protect the women and children, and, and that is in our amygdala, what's the? What's the? What's the movie? You know what I'm talking about. I do know.
Speaker 2:Adam Sandler. Adam Sandler, madhula Oblongada, madhula Oblongada, it's the water boy.
Speaker 1:But in some sense he's not wrong. Like that is the thing because, um, our primal brain, and you know there are women that are more like that than men, you know, and so it's not just a gendered thing, right, um, and I think the more we know, the more we know we don't know about that stuff.
Speaker 2:No kidding.
Speaker 1:Um, but back to careers and that thing. Yeah, there should be more women doing, doing major decisions for the rest of the population, not men.
Speaker 2:Well, I shouldn't just be men, which it's not. There are some women in politics, Um you could call them women. I mean you could, uh, they are female, um, but the yeah, I just feel like the reason that maybe we think that that should be is because we don't feel like sometimes all sides are represented in decision making.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and they should be. You should see yourself represented in your government. You should, yes, choices being represented in your government, like you need to see. All of that everyone does.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Not male, not female, not right. And maybe everyone is a representative government, which is really kind of not, because they just kind of vote along party lines and, you know, do their own. Well, private interests, money, whoever has the most money whoever has the? Most money I'll have the money. I'm grabbing more coffee.
Speaker 2:You should.
Speaker 1:Okay, so in terms of career, though, so we should go back really quickly to the call and then we should so go. We need to do a little bit more to find this. So it wasn't you. You should talk about that and then what it wasn't in the cult, mm. Hmm, my goodness, we need a name Agnes, agnes, agnes.
Speaker 2:You can see Rachel's Agnes on her face If you're just listening. There's a massive growth appearing on her face.
Speaker 1:It's like a cystic.
Speaker 2:It's a pimple that's large and we're calling it Agnes large margin she's in charge, she is in charge, oh Jesus.
Speaker 1:I have to get more coffee, but we need to find Okay, so quickly we should define it a little bit more, yeah, and then I think that how to you and I have done exemplary.
Speaker 2:We okay. So how to career? How did we figure out how to career? I mean, I think that it was built into us to have a career, like in our DNA.
Speaker 1:Okay, no, no, no, that's in our poverty.
Speaker 2:Well, that isn't our poverty, but I'm what I'm saying is we are driven, yeah, because of poverty. Yeah, yes, so, and I also love that. I enjoy what I do. I don't think everybody enjoys their career, so can I just say, like, if you don't enjoy a career, like, find something you do enjoy because it makes having a career or something that you, you know, your job, where you make your money, how you support yourself, things like that, it makes it so much more enjoyable. I tried, you know many before I found things that I like because seriously, there's just too much, too much non, non, trying to think of the right thing here, like it's more of a duty.
Speaker 1:Satisfying.
Speaker 2:Yes, and it's not satisfying, honestly, like I enjoy making people like, so the things that I do, so I cut here. Love when you can change the way someone thinks about themselves by the way they look, you know it's someone yes, it's rewarding. It's literally so satisfying and it's so rewarding. It is rewarding, it's very rewarding when somebody I mean even with my alteration business someone buys something. It looks frumpy. I can fix it and make it look fabulous.
Speaker 1:In our own ways. We're both fucking psychotherapists.
Speaker 2:A little bit yes, oh no not, it, not even a little bit. It's a lot of it.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, it is a lot of it, because I think that that's where we came from. So you and I both came from. So this goes directly back to the define this and the how to absolutely is both. So we were not allowed to have careers, no, and we were made to feel small and single purpose. Reproduction, yes, purity reproduction, that's what we were made to think was our career. Right, as a cis Female, right, white, I'm going to say that white, cis female we were made to feel that our career was Reproduction. Right, it's, it's the, it's the my mic just fell it's replacement, it's great replacement theory, it's, it's all of the white, christian, white, white nationalism stuff. That was absolutely where we were, yeah for sure, like, re produce, re produce, re produce and be pure and Right, walk the Bible way, and so we were not allowed that. That was so in the Define this, we were put in a box and we were not allowed to go outside of that box.
Speaker 1:Yes, and in the how to, you and I both broke the 16th wall. I think that was a 16th wall, it's like four walls, that's like the 16th wall oh Jesus, dead pole reference. But we broke all the walls. Right, we broke all the walls and we broke all the walls and so we were like no, no, no, we broke all the walls and we broke all the walls and we broke all the walls. I don't know the distance between 10 to 10. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, whatever, eight, nine, 10, 16th wall. We broke all the walls because we were like no, nobody will define us as reproduction specialists and without brains and bodies, and we will not be defined by what you're telling us to be defined by. I have a Kenya connection now. Kenya, we might have to, we might have to do this from Africa in a bit. Ok, I may just go.
Speaker 1:Macy told me. Oh, roommate number four told me she was like just go, mom, um, but we are not defined by our method of reproduction and we also don't think anyone else should be Mm, hmm, like you and I. That is that. Is it Like deep, deep, deep in us is you will not define me, nor anyone else, by your means of reproduction, nor will you tell me what I can or can't do Right In terms of my career, and I'm going to just do what makes me happy and what makes you and I both happy is sharing that with people Like a big fucking bucket of sunshine. But it's not, not true. Yes, that is how you and I like function. That is like deep, deep ingrained in what we do is we are like both of us have this drive. It's not just a drive to produce Right Money.
Speaker 2:It is about like making sure that you're making other people feel good about the satisfaction and the fulfillment from that is great, and there's nothing that makes me more frustrated than I will have a new client. I look like.
Speaker 1:Mitch McConnell right now.
Speaker 2:OK, y'all need to watch this episode more than More than listen to, because my sister is on a whole another level this morning. Go ahead.
Speaker 1:It's been days and I've way too much energy, ok, ok.
Speaker 2:So there's nothing more frustrating to me than when I get a new client and you cut their hair and I think I did an amazing job and it looks fabulous and I'm like what do you think? And they're like it'll do what I just did.
Speaker 1:Like I changed your life.
Speaker 2:Yes, I'm like please say this is the best haircut I've ever gotten my whole life, because that's what I need right now. And then, like it'll do oh my God, it cracks me up. But like literally, and then they'll leave and I'm just like there's just like this, like OK, did they like it or did they Not? Like I don't freaking know if I'll ever see this person again, oh man.
Speaker 1:So what we've discussed this in prior episodes, though is like when? But when they go to someone who's a shitty hairdresser, yes, right, and then they come, they're like, oh actually it was much better than I think Like let you know it was much better than it'll do.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:Oh, which is so true. I mean, I think that probably on our worst days, yes, in the careers that we've chosen like our worst day, we're probably a exemplar in the careers that we've chosen, because we care, we give it, we give a shit like we have shits to give in our careers. Yes, so funny.
Speaker 1:I totally understand what you mean. Oh, my goodness. Um, ok, so we should talk a little bit about what we did over the weekend, ok, and and potentially about the upcoming, as I think Joe and Randy will are amenable to come in Like no, absolutely. Also, we have to.
Speaker 2:So so roommates will probably be on. Ok, that's fine too.
Speaker 1:I would love to, yeah, but I want to let. So let's talk about what we did do over the weekend, sure, oh so? So the big takeaway in the how to is find something you love. Liz already said it. You already like literally and I know it's cliche to say that but like OK, if you find something you love to do, you'll never work a day in your life. No, you're going to work your ass off because you love doing out. There's moments, yeah, and but you love doing it. So there's a, there's a why.
Speaker 2:And there's like you can be inspired, like you need something that challenges you a little bit as well. I hate Not ever like just going through the motions. I want something that like challenges me and gets me like OK, let's do this. Um, so, if you don't have something that you love, this is my suggestion. So if you're one of these that are like, well, I have to pay my bills, I can't just start a career right now.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So do something minimal to pay your bills while you're working on building the something that you love, because I make your hobby, your second career. Yes, and start working towards that, because and eventually you can maybe switch over to where you're not so glad you said that, because pay your bills because honestly, yeah, I thought I would never be a professional surfer. But now that you said that, OK, honey, you're never going to be a professional surfer. I need to bring it to you. I know, I know I can trust myself?
Speaker 1:No, I never will be. But again it is like but you're, you're absolutely right, because I'm going, yeah, yeah, yeah, all the things that I really would want to do and I am doing what I want to do now. Yeah, in terms of teaching, I really do love teaching and I really am a good teacher. I'm not a good teacher, I'm an exemplar teacher and I, because I, deep in me, like you, have that drive and that ability to like, make people learn and feel something about themselves, and that is deep, deep, deep inside me. But I do still make my hobbies try and become sort of semi work, like I think you do too. You could have been a professional poker player, liz.
Speaker 2:I know, I know, but you can still do that. I mean, maybe one day I will be because you're good at it, but it is, and I and I do play occasionally. You know what I mean. I'm not going to go play every day. I did play one point in my life, you see, I kind of made a living doing that, but it was in transition for another, for my other job, but I don't find something. You're not doing that every day Right.
Speaker 1:But if you're not in the career that you want to be, then then moonlight With something that you really want to do and and and work on together. Right, because then you can manage it. Right, then it's manageable. And you're like, ok, I get to, I have to do this to pay my bills, but then I get to go do, yeah, right, the other thing. And and roommate, for that's one of the big things I told her I was like you can do anything you want, but you have to do this today, like you have to get up and go to school, right, that's your have to do, but you can do whatever you want after that. So do the have to do's and then you get yeah, yeah. So that goes, joe, joe, gamble, the what Two, you guys. You didn't talk about it yet, but he said he wants us to come back on again too. Ok, yeah, um, you should just come out and do a podcast with us. Yeah, for sure, maybe before Dave Matthews, Because Kelly's going to go with us this year.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Anyway. So what do we do this weekend, Liz, we did a podcast. With.
Speaker 2:With Joe and Kelly, who, which I, rachel, was good friends with Kelly for a long time.
Speaker 1:Our kids went to daycare together, okay.
Speaker 2:So that's how she met her.
Speaker 1:Twenty years ago.
Speaker 2:Yeah, when I, when I moved out to California by myself, I met them through Rachel and met Joe and Kelly both. And then Kelly has been on girls trips with us a couple of times. We've, you know, we've. We used to hang out when we lived in the same vicinity and then they moved further out and I moved away.
Speaker 1:You know, geographically, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Geographically challenged? Yeah, geographically challenged, but anyway, I love people that you can like sit down, connect with from like for five years and then sit down and pick up a conversation and enjoy each other's company. So I, but we did a podcast. He started a podcast called. Can we say it?
Speaker 1:I think so. Yeah, I don't it's out now, so I think we're fine, okay, so I think we're fine, yeah.
Speaker 1:Which is basically a mental health focus and, yeah, mental health wellness community community yes, very much, and how mental health is affected by the community and what resources are needed in the community to help with mental health, and like fostering community that both inspires and helps. But I think for Joe it was a partially like self guided education on mental health in terms, well, I call it PMS pale, male and stale. And I was like Joe, really you started a podcast over COVID and you're a white dude Great, yes, like who? Who didn't you know tell me something I don't know. So he started it but he it came out of like him dealing with some issues that he had with his second kiddo Sure, you know, and he talks about that and a little bit. But it was his journey to figure out what the heck.
Speaker 1:And I knew Joe for 20 years and then Kelly started listening to our podcast and she knows about the book and stuff from me and she was like hey, they have their own mental health journeys that they both went on and Joe contacted me, reached out and he was like I never knew this about you, like I didn't, I didn't know all the things, like that. You went through the cult and all of that and I was like you never asked, dude.
Speaker 2:Like, like, it's not something you like, I just don't go up to rent, you know, or I just it just doesn't come up in conversations. Usually not, but it's something you're like.
Speaker 1:Oh, by the way, I grew up in a cult and yeah, and I have ADHD and PTSD and OCD and generalized anxiety. How are you? It's so depressing.
Speaker 2:Right, right, but in our world it's not.
Speaker 1:We find it hilarious because we're just like we've been dealing with that for years without having a diagnosis, but yeah, so he kind of brought us on to talk about that particular issue in terms of mental health and what the journey looked like for us and how we overcame it, which is our how-to part of the podcast. But in talking to him, he and both Randy had a reaction, a strong reaction to our modesty podcast and felt as though they were excluded from the conversation a bit. And I was like we tried, didn't we not? We tried to get them to verbally tell us what made them feel excluded and like they weren't a part of the conversation. And here's a shout out to Mark if you know, you know, it came down to the velour tracksuit.
Speaker 2:We have to get them both velour tracksuits, and they have to wear them, and they have to wear them.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, publicly Um.
Speaker 2:So oh, my goodness no definitely you're going to have to listen to the episode. I think it's going to be good. Yeah, we, if we're allowed, we'll share it on our podcast.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm pretty sure we can, at least with Joe's, so we can cross them. And then we also have the other one coming out. Oh, next week we have to do the second we can't, we can't, yeah, but that's the second second show next week we're doing, so we've got a lot of big things coming down the hatch, which are fun, you know so much fun Um we got to get, we got to wrap, yeah we do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know I'm on that boat. It has been almost an hour. Cheese and crackers. Cheese and crackers. Christ on a cracker that's my favorite. Christ on a cracker. It's been so many religions right now.
Speaker 2:Or sadly would say Jesus Christ grandma.
Speaker 1:Did you? I don't know if I said that meme.
Speaker 2:I literally died.
Speaker 1:I know Well it's so funny it's like I haven't. There's a meme that I just sent out and it was like my four year old's taken up cussing or swearing and now they refer to bedtime as a fucking crisis.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's amazing.
Speaker 1:And I'm like, yes, it is, it's a fucking crisis and absolutely correct.
Speaker 2:You know, that's amazing, oh geez.
Speaker 1:Anyway, so we do have some really fun things coming up. I don't think we're ever going to not be this unhinged.
Speaker 2:Nope.
Speaker 1:The response was golden. You were like no. I mean but that's kind of the charm. Okay guys, oh, no, okay.
Speaker 2:Seriously, this imitation needs to be. Oh right, Now go to impersonation also. This could be your hobby. You can be, it's the hat in your neck, I'm trying and the background, because it's blurred I know. Okay, let's get up, oh dear. All right, well, if you need any more inspiration?
Speaker 1:to look us up on YouTube, you can see Rachel's. I get stuck every once in a while and I'm running the most powerful nation in the world. I got marbles in my mouth and I don't know what I'm talking about. Oh, where he says good.
Speaker 2:Okay, anyway, yeah, so email us sisters declassified at gmailcom or follow us on our Facebook or Instagram.
Speaker 1:Yes, and I think a lot of people don't know how to spell sisters or declassified. This may be part of our problem.
Speaker 2:S I S T.
Speaker 1:R.
Speaker 2:D E L A S S I F I D. That should help. Maybe we have so many people that say we sent you an email, never get it.
Speaker 1:No, I know that they probably did like two S's and sisters.
Speaker 2:Or they did.
Speaker 1:S, I S S. I guarantee you, people can't spell it.
Speaker 2:Well, spelling isn't as important as it was. Let's not get into that. So, sisters, declassified at gmailcom. We'd love to hear from you and we'll talk about it on our podcast. Could be a deterrent. Anyway, we will chat with you next time. Have a good afternoon. Bye.